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Saturday, May 10, 2003

Ben Trott of Movable Type on RSS. [Scripting News]

So Dave and Ben have agreed, now let's see what Evan says.

And Ben seems to think that having Categories/Distributed Taxonomies is part of it.  Michael Fagan thought that dc:subject doesn't hold as much as ENT, and now I await Matt or Paolo's opinion.

Ben Hammersley hacks the blog. Ben Hammersley (whose Weblogs Hacks book is now available for pre-order on Amazon) is hacking like crazy on loosely joining his blog to the bewildering array of services that can be programatically accessed.

For starters, every post has its own RSS feed, whence the comments for that post are syndicated. Add to that a "contemporania" block of text associated with each post that records the top British headlines, the weather in various cities, the top single on the UK charts, and the number of inbound links to Ben at the moment that his post was saved.

Now he's added a preview of the kind of functionality you can get with the as-yet-private API for Technorati, David Sifry's brilliant blogmining tool. In Ben's experimental implementation (the first such ever), when he links to another blog, it creates "mouseover text" (a little bar of text that pops up if you hover your cursor over the link) with the current number of inbound blogs connected to the blog he's just linked to. All of this stuff will be in Ben's book -- but I want it for Boing Boing now! Link Discuss [Boing Boing Blog]

Ben is putting his proverbial code where his mouth is - and turning his blog into a showcase of new open standards.   Hopefully he'll be incorporating ThreadsML soon.   Hmmmm I wonder if he'd like some EditThisHere code?

I also wonder if this is what the RDF pundits call "piling too much shit into an RSSfeed?"

Edit this Page, in desktop text editors.

Three years ago today we had a conceptual breakthrough called Piking Behind Firewalls making it easy for people to use our outliner (then called Pike, now called Radio) to edit their weblog even if they're behind a firewall. The release was called Firewalls with Piking Sauce.

The other Web content management systems don't even have Edit This Page buttons yet. I'm amazed that people think Movable Type is so advanced. They have a long way to go before they catch up to Manila. And Blogger is totally not in the game and neither product, architecturally is suited to easy connections to editing content. Too many steps, too much memorization.

Go back to May 1999 for an explanation. "When I'm writing for the web, and I'm browsing my own site, every bit of text that I created has a button that says Edit this Page when I view it. When I click the button, a new page opens with the text in an HTML textarea. I edit. Click on Submit. The original page displays with the change. Three easy steps."

[Scripting News]

Dave's right - EditThisPage functionality has been available for a while now and the other blogging tools don't have it.  Yet I;m not sure what the Radio outliner has to do with editing ina  web page.  It's part of a separate app.  It outputs to web pages, it complements web pages, it's easy to use and quite powerful - but it's not IN a weg page.

I've been waiting to publisize this and we ain't done yet - but here's a further innovation - development.

EditThisHere - click your mouse to select, click a second time to edit.

This current implementation is built into an on-line outliner - which outputs OPML, can have media, RSS or web links attached to any node and works as a stand alone tool - in ALL browsers.  But you can imagine this cross-browser technology being used elsewhere.

so:

1.  Report any bugs - to me at: Marc@Broadbandmechanics.com

2.  Think about this direct editing/manipulation feature as the next step beyond EditThisPage.  Why shouldn't MT, Blogger or any of the other blogging tools utilize it?

3. It's an open source project, we only ask for credit.  We'll have an end-user hosted version - which we'll charge for saving files off on YOUR OWN server or local drive (storing on our server will be free.)

4.  This product was created by Marc Barrot, Doug Baron and Danny Goodman.  Jason DeFillippo is about to make some contributions as well.  Me - I'm just the doorman. I mean I dabble in everything and do nothing.

Let's get ready, now.

One of the things we talked about at dinner last night was the stupidity of forking RSS among the little guys. In the future we're going to look back at that as the most bone-headed thing since Marc Andreessen called Windows a bunch of device drivers.

Here's how Microsoft is going to fuck all of us. Their blogging tool will support RSS 2.0. Basic stuff like title, link, description, and maybe to be nice, a few extras like guid, category, and generator. Then they're going to define a namespace with poorly documented stuff the rest of us don't understand. Some of us will support Microsoft's extensions, others won't. Either way it won't matter. They'll be able to say they're supporting the standard and we won't be able to say they're not. And they'll add and subtract features unpredictably until users get the idea that it's safer just to stay with MS, and they'll own yet another market.

Now get this -- it doesn't have to be that way. We could establish a profile of RSS 2.0 and implement strict compliance with that profile in the major blogging tools. We could give that profile a name, and jointly market it to users. Then when MS comes in, the users would know what to insist on. It would make history, it would be the first time a market anticipated Microsoft tactics, and took effective, preventive measures against it. Re-inventing RSS was a bad thing to do. I forgive you. Now fix it, quickly and let's get ready to survive the onslaught.

[Scripting News]

OK - so Paolo and Matt have extended RSS 2.0 - staying within the structure of the namespaces feature.  So what's wrong with that?  Is that what Dave calls "strict complaince within the profile"?  If not - how would it be different?  How would he embed topics into an RSS feed?

Wi-Fi Home Media Networks.

This editorial from Patrick Houston at ZDNet provides good analysis on the challenges in creating a standard for PC - CE media convergence.  He talks about several emerging products based on Intel's Digital Media Adapter (DMA) reference design, which provides a standard approach for moving media between PCs and existing TV's and Stereo's using 802.11b.  The most telling part of his editorial is his skepticism around the PC and CE industries working together:

"I'm now painfully aware of just how different the PC and consumer electronics industries are, and why those differences promise to make a home-networking standard so hard to set. Despite the demands of consumers like you and me, it could take years.

The differences may best be expressed simply by comparing the PC and the TV. The PC is a complicated, multipurpose, upgradeable piece of electronic equipment that lasts maybe four years at most. The TV is a simple, single-purpose, non-upgradeable device that lasts for about 10 years.

PC vendors are accustomed to moving quickly in a rapidly changing environment. Consumer electronics makers live in a world where product decisions may haunt them for a decade or more. You can see how these different circumstances would inform their different approaches to industry standards.

There are other differences that will determine how these two industries play with each other, too. Microsoft and Intel hold enough sway to move PC players toward accommodation. The consumer electronics industry has no force like that--not even Sony wields that kind of power.

It won't help either that CE makers are wary of Microsoft. They don't want to be bound by the ongoing software-licensing fees, nor the undue influence, that Microsoft imposes on, say, Dell, Gateway, or HP.

AS A RESULT, bringing these two industries to consensus on a home-networking standard will be like negotiating an arms control treaty between the U.S. and U.S.S.R. at the height of the Cold War."

[Jeremy Allaire's Radio]

This is so true.  I've always thought the battle between the TV and PC, was really about which wire would provide digital services into the home - the cable modem or the DSL line.

One thing that's clear.  Microsoft and Intel shoudl check out ZeroConf (which Apple calls Rendevouz.)  It's being used not just for auto-detecting devices on the Home LA, but also detecting humans - in apps like Hydra.  But the standards have to go beyond just mounting device or people onto the network.

We need standards for media libraries, playlists (currently there's a standard called M3U - which is a WinAmp playlist - so that's a good start) - and something which I'm gonna call 'shows'.  These three standards collections or groupings - could be used by a wide range of media tools and shared between vendor's offerings.

IM for WiFi.



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(Via Emergent Report)

[Smart Mobs]

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Updated: 9/17/2003; 12:17:14 PM.