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Saturday, July 12, 2003

Brian Dear has some interesting comments and observations on Ringo - some new social software......

 Adam Curry | Echo 

why (n)echo?. I've been reading plenty of angry comments from developers and other stakeholders in the rss/(n)echo debate. If you think people are pissed about my commercial view of weblogs and syndication by paying for feed placement, just wait to see how pissed off everyone will be when microsoft and ibm start spending millions to 'own' these formats and make developers their bitch with lock-in tactics.

ofcourse I don't want to stifle 'progress', I just don't see the need for a competing format that does everything rss already does for me. perhaps someone will take the time to explain to the users what the differences are and benefits of a new format. To me it only appears to errode the infrastructure I have helped build over the past 3 years.

I've promoted RSS and invested in the format, used it and evangelized it. I see rss and xml icons everywhere. It works just fine.

I beg for explanation, in simple terms, why do I need (n)echo? [Adam Curry: Adam Curry's Weblog]

1.  Semantic blogging.  Please go check out what Matt and Paolo did with k-collector. They haven't really been supported by Userland, Dave or you for that matter - but they did it anyway - since it was needed. Echo supports namespace extensions like ENT and will promote the idea of embedded meta-data.

2.  Combine data structure and API into one thing.  This will enable folks to move their blog info - from Radio (for instance) to Moveable Type or TypePad.

3.  Something besides blogging.  Photos, Reviews, Conversations, audio, video - people. 

Do I have to continue?  is that enough?

Buzznet Photoblog.

Buzznet is a new photoblogging and "instant moblog" service.

(Thanks, Xeni!) [Smart Mobs]

The beat goes on.  Will they support posting Reviews and participating in Conversations from these phones?

In The Similitude of a Dream.

In The Similitude of a Dream

Mark Pilgrim has posted a progress report. He points to Joe Gregorio's latest EchoAPI draft, he's working on a Python client-side implementation, meanwhile singing the praises of REST : "REST is easy even before your code works properly.".

He also provides the source for his and Sam's Feed Validator. What's more he has updated his "ultra-liberal RSS parser" to become an “ultra-liberal feed parser”. Plenty of discussion on all of these.  [Formerly Echo]

Danny Ayers reports from his spanking brand new TypePad blog "Formerly Echo" on progress - meanhile Sjoerd Visscher is using XSLT to transform RSS into Echo.......

Echo feed available

Echo feed available. Yesterday Dave Winer added support for Echo to Radio Userland's aggregator. Today I did the same, but at the other end. My Radio Userland now emits an Echo feed. The RSS feed is now created by transforming the Echo feed, using this XSLT transformation. [Sjoerd Visscher's weblog]

And Russel Beattie weighs in on too many attributes.....

Here's the latest Necho example. It's not bad, but there's some debate right now over the use or over-use of attributes and I left a comment with my thoughts on this. (This is what got me back into the wiki - there was a massive flux on this page in the past few days). Attributes are incredibly abused and misused (look at OPML as a prime example), however there's *got* to be a way of noting the variations of the same data types without using so many elements. For example, Title/subtitle, weblog/homepage/email/etc., created/issued/modified, and more. To me, <date type="issued"> is much clearer than just <issued>. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I think that Necho as it is now is a bit too verbose.  [Russ Beattie]

me I'm justy hearing Echos all over the place!  :-)

Echo and semantic blogging..

How will Echo support ad hoc extensions?

Two ways, I think. Sort of. The way the specs read now...

Just Add It. Echo files will be well formed XML. And will be parsed by XML parsers. So you can extend an Echo file with any XML you want. If the reader doesn't understand it, it is free to ignore it. Add your XML fishing report (ns:bass length="thiiiiiis long").

Just Point To It. You can also include by reference. Write about the fish in your post, but the structured information is outside the syndicated feed, described with a link to the location and a reference to the type of object you might find there.

This feels like an abdication of extensibility.

I want more than Just Add It And Hope For The Best. I want an envelope, a wrapper spec, that helps tool developers encode new package types and read them. Echo's mechanism is the ExtensionModule

extension modules have a UniqueIdentifier and a DefinedDataModel

Neither are defined. Bill Kearny's great backgrounder on UniqueIdentifier isn't a spec and DefinedDataModel is also a placeholder.

Here's hoping we can muster enough attention to get these two parts spec'd.

p.s. I'd appreciate your contributions, pro or con, to the Component Blog and Adaptive Blogosphere wiki pages.

p.p.s. ZenKai's blog reminded me that Jon Udell used the term "Semantic Weblog" back in April 2003. Jon's examples asked a weblog questions about its posts. I'm not sure the Echo replacement for the metaweblogAPI includes those abilities. Anyone?

[a klog apart]

Every post I make has keywords (topics) attached to them.  These topics are shared in a k-collector shared cloud - which anyone can tap into it.  Hopefully Echo will make this capability - worldwide and ubiquitous.  That's just ONE reason for Echo.

hey, listen to this.

hey, listen to this

hey, listen to this. So one of the million things I've not had time to do while finishing this draft (answering a b'gillion emails is another) was to listen to this. As I described before, Colin Mutchler posted a guitar track to Opsound. Opsound makes its content available to others under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike license. Cora Beth, a 17 year old violinist, took the track and added a violin track. The result is this. As Brian Flemming commented on the post, "a great way to illustrate the value of CC to someone who perhaps doesn’t quite get it." Indeed it is. Listen to this, and you'll can't help but get it. [Lessig Blog]

[Audioblog/Mobileblogging News]

Collaborative music warms my soul.

 BBC | Kevin Marks 

Digital Domesday Defies Doom [Slashdot]

Digital Domesday Defies Doom
Technology/IT
Science
Posted by michael on Saturday July 12, @03:05AM
from the obsoletion-defeation dept.
Hulver writes "The BBC Domesday project, originally completed in 1986 and under threat (as reported in this old slashdot story) has had its data recovered. The contents of the laserdiscs have been put on DVD, and new programs written so that PCs can access the data. Interestingly, most of the images and films were not recovered from the laserdiscs, but were instead re-digitised from the original analog films at a higher resolution than the laserdiscs contained. Full details of the recovered data are at the Public Record Office website."

Apparently the Doomsday project was in jeopardy - but now it's not.  My friends Peter Armstrong and Max Whitby worked on that.  Correct Kevin?

Supernova Photos.

Jason took some great pics at Supernova.  Cory took some great notes from my panel.

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[Ross Mayfield's Weblog]

"15-150 - that's the sweet spot."

"One could actually break it into two distinct kinds of groups, but I......"


Updated: 9/17/2003; 12:23:14 PM.