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Wednesday, July 16, 2003
familyEveryone has to take that journey down: "What is Identity?"

So here Adriaan Tijsseling's journey.....

Nobody knows who I am. A overview of the philosophy of identities, a hot topic these days of FOAF and multiple IDs. [chaotic intransient prose bursts]

Marc's NOTE:  Here's Adriaan and his wife and child. The ultimate identities.

Technorati Adds Profiles.

David Sifry doesn't want to overhype it, but Technorati.com has added a feature that can bring identity, reputation, and other smartmob-enabling features to the blogosphere: profiles.

Technorati Profiles

A new feature you may have noticed at Technorati is Member Profiles. They're an easy way to find out more information about the people behind the weblogs. Anyone can become a Technorati member simply by signing up.

Once you're a member, you can choose to give more information about yourself and the weblogs for which you are an author.

You can "claim" your weblogs by submitting the weblog URL and then adding a small HTML snippet to the front page of your weblog. Technorati verifies that you are indeed an author of the weblog by spidering your weblog, looking for the special code you placed on your weblog.

Once you've done this, your picture and profile will be associated with all links to your weblog in any Technorati Link Cosmos. We're also working on a bunch of new features that will make writing (and reading!) weblogs more fun. Watch this space. You can "claim" your weblogs by submitting the weblog URL and then adding a small HTML snippet to the front page of your weblog. One of the first benefits you get as a Technorati member is that your profile information is available whenever your weblog is mentioned in a Technorati Link Cosmos. We're also working on a bunch of new features that make writing (and reading!) weblogs more fun. Watch this space. [Smart Mobs]

This is Marc speaking now....... Now that Tecnorati has profiles and TypePad is supporting FOAF - we're getting to critical mass time!

This just in from David Galbraith.....

One small step for Technorati..

Something interesting is happening in the world of online identities. The end goal is clear - a distributed, decentralized identity system where people have control over their own identity online - a people's 'Passport' or what Marc Canter envisages as a people's DNS. The problem is how to get there. Perhaps it will happen, in part, from the ground up through small steps such as personal data in systems such as Technorati or one line bio's as personal RSS headlines? In fact, in true Dave Sifry style, Technorati seems to already be moving along these lines: see Technorati Profiles and check out the picture.

Over the longer term, this is perhaps as ground breaking as what weblogs have done for web publishing and ultimately will leverage the weblog model to its full potential by creating a parry to content through people's interests and requirements, creating a marketplace for RSS.

[David Galbraith]

It's all happening at the same time. Joi's Identity post, the OpenIdentity usage scenarios and now Technorati's profiles.  All within 24 hours of each other.

As part of an effort by the Identity Commons to create OpenIdentity People’s DNS kind of service - I hosted a couple of meetings at my house last week.

What especially seems apropos is that Joi Ito just posted something on Identity – which I know he’s been thinking about - for years.  When I told Joi of what we were hoping to achieve – he simply said – make sure you support PETs (privacy enabling technologies.)  So we did.  Joi’s insights into why we need multiple digital IDs is right on and I think what we’re working on will help enable his world view.

The technical efforts of the Openidentity standard have been moving along well – so I wanted to make sure that we were grounded in a clear understanding of how we’d use this sort of system – as well.  Drummond Reed, Nikolaj Nyholm and Fen Labalme have drafted a technical spec, which they’ll present to you on their own, and Owen Davis is leading a group effort to find funding for such a system.  So I wanted to do my bit and pitch in on the ‘user experience’ side of the fence.

The idea of the Identity Commons is to provide some governance over the open standards for people’s identities.   Sure there’s plenty of digital identity work going on with enterprises in mind – the WS-federation, SAML and the Liberty Alliance.  But we need to make sure that we have our own identity system – to at least guarantee some modicum of sanity and control.

So as part of an effort to get our hands around marketing this sort of standard, I invited a bunch of you over to my home to discuss usage scenarios.  Some of you even showed up!  Matters got a little complicated when Lisa (my wife) broke her ankle on the day of the second meeting, but in general we were able to get some ideas down.  So sorry for taking so long to create this summary, but I’ve been busy playing both daddy and mommy for little Mimi.

So here we go:

1.      First of all – what is it that is being proposed?

A centralized DNS-like service for people.  A way for disparate computer systems to connect up to the same person, a global sort of single sign-on system.   YES – that’s what Microsoft’s Passport is all about, as well as the Liberty Alliances standard as well.  But this will be OUR standard, for us.

The idea of the OpenIdentity standard is to maintain our own, protected database of people ‘pointers’ – which will in turn point to specific locations throughout the web – which may house an end-user’s resume, medical records or blog/web site.  All access to these pointers and information will be strictly controlled, allowing each individual to decide who gets access to what.

So this is not about setting up some centralized database. This is about creating a ‘proxy’ server for people – a redirect server, which will keep track of the smallest amount of information possible about you – and simply point to where all the real data is….  The end-user/human can then completely control who sees what.  New kinds of tools, services and applications can be built around this sort of standard.

2.      Who’s gonna build this thing?

That’s what we’re figuring out right now.  There will be a workshop on all this – next week July 20-22 in Sebastapol.  For info on attending – please contact Owen Davis (owen@idcommons.net.)  You’ll be asked to join the Identity Commons – if you wanna come and agree to some basic principles.  Here are those principles 

The idea is that we’ll get a quick prototype demo up and running ASAP leveraging XRI (and Drummond’s years of experience with XNS), Nikolaj’s years of experience (in the DNS business) and Fen’s years of experience (in the world of privacy.)  

3.      Who’s gonna host it 

We’ll eventually have servers around the world.  There won’t ever be just ONE giant people server in the sky.  These servers will interlock, inter-connecting with each other and support a decentralized, distributed model.

And we should look for commercial and enterprise sponsors – too.  But we’ll be totally in charge of those servers.   So Internet Archive, Tucows, the BBC, Hyderabad Assoc., Singapore, Inc and Tokyo University.  Anyplace and everyplace.

4.      Who’s gonna pay for it          

            Talk to Owen.  Come to the workshop.  Write a check.  Help.

5.      How will it work?

So this is where the techies should come in.

Naive explanation – the Identity Commons will set up this OpenIdentity service by evangelizing tool vendors, system houses and anybody or everybody who wants to access people.   At the same time infrastructure, APIs and data structure get set up and configured and simple ‘SDKs’ are distributed – to enable multiple vendors to support the standard.

All the while the Identity Commons is governing this standard, making sure that no BigCos, enterprise, vested interests come in and ‘take over’.

But it all revolves around what people do with it – and that’s what this document is all about.  See below.

6.      What are some usage scenarios?

                        - Single sign-on – so humans don’t have to constantly be logging on….

                        This is probably the lowest hanging fruit, easiest concept to grasp.  If a network of web sites or services want to share end-users –they could       all hook up to the system and implement a single sign-on system.  Victor Grey and Sergio Lub offer that sort of service right now – with their Friendly Favors system. 

                 - Registries….in all shapes and sizes.

                        This would mean that an artists registry, an open ‘classmates’ kind of registry or even a registry of Grateful Deadheads could be established.  These registries could maintain their own rules, data and control – and leverage the infrastructure of the People’s DNS. 

                 - Integration and Shortcut mechanisms – so all your different presences on the WWW can be connected together (if you want)

                 Special interfaces can be developed to facilitate the easy movement of someone between their various blog, social software, media storage, portal or email on-line tools and services.  As the usage of these new kinds of on-line services spread – so too is does the need arise for ways of connecting your ‘digital lifestyle’ together.

                 - Persistent Resumes – so an up-to-date resume can always be found

                 Humans will be able to post and maintain their resumes – in one place – and have all job applications reference that location.  Then when it is necessary to update that resume, all references to that resume will be updated – as well.

                 - Listings service – a regionalized exchange of job postings, things for sale, apartments and house for rent and things people are looking for.

                 Local bulletin boards, on-line communities and activist groups can unite their ‘listings’ boards to create larger pools of regionalized listings.  Larger, global listings services could also be supported as well.

                 - Giant People’s white pages – shared address book        

                        Having a definitive global white pages – protected by the proper PETS (privacy enhancing technologies) – is an ideal application of a people’s DNS.

 7.      What’s the spec?

                        There are two basic principles that make up the spec of tyeh OpenIdentity standard.

                        a) Identifiers (for people and attributes) would be a simplified form of XRIs (and very RESTful)

                        b) a single-sign-on architecture that is very similar to the Liberty Alliance architecture except that Identity Commons could provide the "trusted identity broker" role

                        More details to follow from Drummond, Nikolaj and Fen.

 I started a topic board here on OpenIdentity.

Keith Teare took my pic with his cellphone and automatically blogged it. Hey so what if I was making a stupid face. It's cool technology! Yeah. [Scripting News]

Any truth to the rumors that Userland - in it's new instantiation - is gonna add a moblogging tool to Radio?

I heard it's code-named "Howard". Or that was Coward... not sure?  I overheard all this on the CalTrains - training up from Palo Alto - after infiltrating the Always On conference.

I can't tell you who was talking about this - or else I'd have to kill you.  JUST KIDDING!  <g>

Well anyway - there should be no ambiguity as to who is writing this post.  Me.

 AOL 

Jonathan Miller (of AOL) is on stage at Stanford's AlwaysOn conference for the first time publicly showing AOL 9.0's roll-your-own personal portal for consumers. ISPs must respond in kind. The days of portals just for businesses have ended. As well as AOL Journals, a blogging service.

AOL will introduce publish-and-subscribe calendars later this year, Miller says. Will they use interoperable Internet calendaring standards, or will AOL users be locked in AOL's calendaring trunk?

Bob Frankston asks what business AOL is in, and whether that's akin to the old monopolistic phone company. With no mention this morning of Internet standards in the areas of presence, video or calendaring, I'm guessing Frankston's mention of the old Ma Bell makes sense. Fortunately, the Internet can route around non-standard presence, video and calendaring. [Scott Mace's Radio Weblog]

These comments by Scott Mace from the Always On conference mean I can finally show some of the work we did for AOL over two years ago.  It seems they're doing a lot of what we told them to do.  I just love the idea of 30M end-users creating their own 'personal portals'.  This is great news!

It won't be too hard for us to create complementary products that understand the digital lifestyle scenario.

Here's an interface for young girls (something Mimi will use soon.....)

And here's an interface - based upon a refridgerator.....

I just LOVE the idea of AOL opffering personal portals!

So here's a reply from Robert Scoble.....

But first let me make one thing very clear.  I love Robert.  He's honest and true. I sincerely believe he believes the things he says.  He wants to keep his job.  So does everybody at Microsoft. 

Microsoft may seem like an anthill, but as Bill Graham described in "Woodstock" - you gotta build trenches (with flames in them) to control the flow of those ants.  When Microsoft was all hot on Cairo and it's own world view - they woke up to the Internet.  They spent $1.25B on IE - but ended up with $50B in cash in the bank?  How's that losing money?

Now they're back with a new world view, a new name for Cairo, with just as much conviction over 'trusted computing' and Longhorn - as they had on 'taking the air away from Netscape'. That's the Microsoft's way.  To do business in this industry you MUST understand that Microsoft will eventually copy what you're doing.  If you prove it works.

Talking about Microsoft investing in us is about as absurd as talking to VCs.  These folks have their own world view - and by defintion - we're not part of that world view.  Their rose colored glasses don't see why a new kind of tools are needed, why the World of Ends is where we're headed or why open standards are needed.

But you know what?

We ran into the same ignorance in the 80's.  We called it 'creativity tools' and no one paid attention to us.  Then Gates, Sculley and IBM decided to call it multimedia - and all of a sudden I'm a genius.  Well some of us don't forget those sorts of things.  YEARS before they woke up - we were leading the way. 

The industry is 100 times bigger today. In the old days all we had to do was go to an Esther conference, hang out in the hallway, throw a few parties and we got known.  But now we have the blogosphere, Sourceforge, cell phones and open standards.

Now onto Robert's reply to me.............

I've been thinking about Marc Canter's comment yesterday that Microsoft doesn't care about developers. You know, if it weren't for developers, there probably wouldn't be Longhorn. What do I mean?

The next version of Windows was prototyped on one of the products that Marc built. You know, Macromedia Director?

Whoa, you mean Microsoft uses a product that was designed about 20 years ago? Yes! It's a great product and helps us get ideas tested before committing them to actual code.

It's not a well-kept secret that Marc is showing around prototypes of a new set of tools that'll make a new set of apps and services possible (his new company is Broadband Mechanics). He's looking for funding. He's looking to do some really cool things. I wish I was a VC.

But, then, this morning, he points out that I've definitely taken the red pill.

That's a common myth of Microsoft from the Silicon Valley point of view. That there's some concerted "evilness" about this place. When you're here, it's apparent that Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer don't drive a tank. The truth is more that this place is an anthill. We go toward food sources, and away from things that cause us pain. It's a hive mind up here. No one told me to say anything pro or con on my weblog about Microsoft. They don't have to. We're 55,000 people, all acting based on our view of the world.

In two months, I've barely even had any contact with execs.

Don't assume that we're doing what we're doing to hurt or help you. We are just a bunch of people trying to keep our jobs, and we move toward food sources and away from pain or poison. It's as simple as that.

Now, if you're down in the valley and you're trying to beat us, move toward the food sources faster than we can. Adobe and Macromedia figured out that there was billions in revenue on the Internet (check out how much more revenue Adobe and Macromedia make on Acrobat and Flash than we have on any of our initiatives -- think that doesn't matter? Ask Adobe's CEO why they are building a new skyscraper in San Jose. It's because Adobe kicked our behind). Microsoft has figured out that the Internet has cost it $1.25 billion in revenue so far. So, we've figured out there's a whole lot of pain there, and are searching around for food sources.

The "ants" here are hungry. Show us where the food is, and we'll all follow along.

You haven't convinced me there's food in the Web. I have a $1.25 billion bill sitting here to punctuate my point.

{Marc NOTE:  It's not about making money 'in the web'. It's about making money and enabling new user experiences. However.}

In another point, Marc Canter says "we know Microsoft makes a profit off of everything." Dude that is so absolutely WRONG. Ask our shareholders about that. Ask them about the Xbox. $1 billion lost (er, invested) so far. Ask them about SmartPhone. $400 million or so lost (er, invested) so far. Ask them about Internet Explorer. $1.25 billion lost (er, invested) so far.

Yes, Microsoft makes money on a lot of things (a huge amount of money), but the truth isn't as simple as the way Marc Canter lays out the world.

We love developers, but it's a symbiotic relationship. We love the ones that love us back. We're an ant-hill. Do we love the developers who look at the anthill and want us to give away everything for free (like an anteater)? No. Do we love the developers who want to help us build our anthill, while profiting off of that endeavor. Yes.

{Marc Note #2:  As I said to Robert - we'll support Longhorn as long as you realize we'll also support Linux, the Mac and all those 'discarded' old versions of your own OS - which you refuse to support anymore.  Oh yah - and that browser thing which you're discarding as well. :-) }

We want another Director from you Marc. I'm gonna do my best to see that you get funding. Lots of people with a lot of money read this weblog. If you're interested in funding another potential Macromedia Director, give Marc a jingle. You might end up helping a big platform vendor like us, too.

[The Scobleizer Weblog]

Did I gotta tell yah that I love Robert.   He's not only a nice guy - but he's sincerely trying to help.  Thanks Robert!

As Director was to multimedia, so will the Community Commons be to 'on-line groups and communities'.

 Atom | Echo | Sam Ruby 

This from Eric Sigler.

The fix is in....

...and the sky is falling.

Er, no, wait, they just finally decided on a name for Pie, er, Echo, er Not-Echo, er, Necho...oh bother.

It's called Atom.

Shiny new listserv too. [esigler.2nw.net/blog]

Congrats to Sam Ruby et al on finally getting a name.

Convea: Open Source Oddpost?.

Last week, Adam Smith of Convea asked me to take a look at their product, Convea.  I didn't have time to look at it until now, but I am glad I did.  At first glance, it was a just another open source web-based groupware.  Their list of business and technical benefits made me glaze over like the sides of a cereal box.  Tiny screenshots didn't help much either.  So it wasn't until I tried the demo that I uttered "Wow!" just as I have when I saw Oddpost first time.

They had done a great job of simulating Windows UI cleanly.  Playing with it, it was difficult to keep in mind that this was all done in DHTML, the language of torture if you are a perfectionist.  While overall integration could use improvements, you can easily tell that countless hours of hard work went into it.

Convea is open source and GPL version is available for free.  To lift the GPL curse so you can use it on your commercial website or intranet, you'll need a Standard Commercial License ($1995).  To develop commercial products with it, you'll need a Commercial Services License ($9995).  Oh, it's ASP-based currently although there seems to be talk of PHP and ASP.NET versions.

Disclaimer: Having spent most of past 20 years helping startups, I enjoy helping them get their message out through my blog.  I won't call something bad good, but I felt my readers should be aware of my sympathetic bias toward startups.  Also, if you are a startup and think you have a great product but not enough exposure, let me know.

[Don Park's Daily Habit]

I went off and tried Convea after I first read this post - last night.  Decided to sleep on it before I commented on it.

I can see why these guys (and ODDpost) haved cloned Outlook - but I'd sure like to see them pushing the envelope more.  I suggested to the ODDpost guys a 'pay for usage' approach to pricing.  Convea has a nice open source model - so pricing is not the issue.

The issue is "once these tools are on-line - how can they be BETTER than Outlook?"  How does RSS (or other 'on-line technologies) fit in (ODDpost has integrated an RSS aggregator - but again - they're just closing traditional aggregators.)  How does having multiple people using the same tool - change things?  (see Hydra!)

More on Joi's Identity post.... this from Danny Ayers......

I'm not Joi Ito either. Good piece on ID from Joi. Main suggestion :

We should have different ID's for our different roles. Each of these ID's will have a different bit of authentication and collateral attached to it.

[Raw Blog]

Joi also added these points (in later comments...)

Back to Dirk... I don't think that you can "manage" information well with laws. You have to create computer architecture that makes it difficult or impossible to abuse this information and the way to do this is decentralization and segregation.

Linking ID's do not make them one. It's the cost and the ease of linking systems that helps prevent their abuse. You must make such links and cross references deliberate and difficult. When it is required, auditability and linkages should be allowed.

Marc: OECD stands for Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development which created the guidelines for privacy that are the basis of many of the privacy directives and regulations today.

Back to me......

I'm working on a big piece for the Identity Commons - OpenIdentity workshop next week - which I'll post later today (once I'm done...)

Here's an interesting post on Interactivity.

When I first left Macromedia - I set out on a journey (still journeying) that was based upon one simple question: "what is this interactivty stuff that we've all been talking about?"

What I saw around me were lots of slide shows with interfaces with arrows at the bottom right hand corner - pointing to the next page (maybe even allowing you to go to the previous page or to the top menu.)  Well the browser hardwired that interface and we really have gotten beyond slide shows yet.

We worked on Interactive Music Videos in the first half of the 90's - hoping to discover some new forms of 'interactivity'.  The Tisch School of the Arts at NYU - has had one of the best programs around - for teaching interactivity.

Needless to say the NEXT big step in interactive designs - will be based around an 'actviity based' approach.

A Hands On How To Guide for Interactive Artists.

Dan O’Sullivan, an associate professor at ITP ( the interactive media program in New York University’s Tisch School of the Arts), has a put together a great resource for artists looking to add interactivity to their art exhibits with computers and microcontrollers.

"Did you ever want to get more physical with your computer? Maybe you wanted a person's movement or light or heat to trigger something like a Quicktime movie. Or maybe you wanted a light to turn on or off, or a doll to spin, or Or maybe you wanted a light to turn on or off, or a doll to spin, or a door to open based on mouse movements within your Director movie, Applet, Flash Movie. Do you need to add just a little computation, maybe a single if statement, to a mailbox, coffee cup, or toy. This page will give you some basic techniques and resources to get started beyond the idea that a computer is a grey box with a monitor, a keyboard, and a mouse. "

[nick gaydos > thynk]

Digital Asset Management Software Takes New Leap. New advancements in Digital Asset Management software allow for automatic cataloging of Microsoft Office documents. [Technology News from eWEEK and Ziff Davis]

This article talks about Canto's Cumulus - a mature asset management system.  But needless to say it's sold the old fashioined way - in a box.  I sure wish I could find the equivalent in the open source world.  A virtual file system.

And I'm not talking about a simple Gallery or.......

I want what the guys at Xythos have. I saw them at ETCON - and I inquired about their licensing terms.  $25,000 just to say hello.

Oh well.

Maybe the OSAF (Chandler) object store will be good enough for us all to build on.  That's certainly one scenario.

Nvidia Adds TV Tuner Cards. Nvidia Corp. said Tuesday that it will produce PCI-based TV tuner cards and special software that takes advantage of Microsoft's new Windows XP Media Center Edition. [Technology News from eWEEK and Ziff Davis]

This is cool and important.

This reminds me of the time when all the audio upgrade and SCSI cards started pouring out of MediaVision and Creative Labs.  Those were key devices that drove the acceptance of multimedia.

Well if we all want to jack into our TV sets - then we'll need a way of navigating through TVspace.  TV tuner cards will do that. I just sure hope they work with cable and satellite.

Marc Canter: "[Scoble] is between a rock and a hard place."

I totally disagree that Microsoft hates developers. If you go back and look at Microsoft's history, how did it get to where it is today? Because of developers and the apps they have created to use our platforms.

If anything, Microsoft is going back to its roots and becoming a responsible platform company again. Encouraging companies to build things on its platforms again.

Yeah, to some people that looks like "sharecropping." Heh, even I joke about putting you all in a trunk too. But, let's look at the trunk, shall we? We're investing billions of dollars in that trunk. So, now it has a felt lining. We are gonna deliver, over the next three years, more developer-focused technology and programs than we've delivered in the past 10 years.

Without developers, Longhorn is completely and utterly worthless.

If developers don't wanna build great things for Longhorn and take advantage of the new stuff we're gonna offer, I might as well go home crying to mommy, cause I'll be laid off by 2006.

Am I between a rock and a hard place? I don't see it that way. My job is challenging, yes. I am looking at the comments from Microsoft customers asking for us to do a better job (Microsoft employees, please read). These are tough things to get done. But, if my job wasn't challenging, then anyone could do it, right? What value would I be able to add?

[The Scobleizer Weblog]

With all respect - Scoble is clouded by the fact the he works for a convicted monopolist who tell him these things - and he believes them.

How did [Microsoft] get to where it is today?   By 'usurping' other's ideas, waiting for a market to get big enough to take over and extend and embrace.  Riding on the backs of others.  That's what platform vendors do.  Apple does it as well.  Let's be clear.  Nobody at Microsoft wakes up and says "how can we continue to develop IE to help developers?"  Come on Robert - be honest.  You pride yourself on your integrity - get real.

Why does the PDC cost so much? (was the topic of an earlier Scoble post this morning.) He gave the typical answers - but we all know Microsoft makes a profit off of everything.  So more Red Pill induced hooey.

Thye latest disturbing trend to come out of Redmond is that they don't think the browser is important enough anymore and no one is developing anything for the browser.  This is actually GOOD in one sense - they'll leave us alone while we build 'a World of Ends'.  Also good for the Mozilla foundation.

But it's bad because they (Microsoft) should not get hung up on whether web services, content or people are accessed via a browser, cell phone, game machine or Internet appliance.  That's the POINT of XML, .Net and the semantic web folks.  Please read the user's guide before you put your strategy to practice.

 


Updated: 9/17/2003; 12:23:27 PM.