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Thursday, October 16, 2003
We're now at Cory's DRM panel and the Microsoft guy is trying to convince Cory (and the rest of us) that Microsoft's DRM scenario is.....

Well let's just say, he's probably not gonna convince Cory. But there's a roomful of people here who totally buy it - hook, link and sinker.  Whether it's the open federated enterprise story or Microsoft's particular attitude - this is pretty much an enterprise wonk kind of conference.

Just don't let Scoble know I've been sucking up to Microsoft people here - asking them the classic: "are you going to the PDC?"

One of the things that became apparent during the past few weeks, is how conference panels can have all sorts of new structures, attutudes and interaction.  I've read reports on both the BloggerCon and Foo Camp scenes and I'm now at a conference called DigitalID World.

So a strange thing happened yesterday - during our "Grass Roots: Does it have a chance" panel.  Maybe it was because AKMA was moderating and me, Doc, Simon Phipps from Sun and Simon Grice from Midentity immediately sent out av vibe of "Hey we're here to talk about humans, not corporations."

So here we all are - sitting there - facing the crowd.  After each of us gave our opening spiel, we launched off on a thread on "customers vs consumers", why end-users wanna "control their profiles" and the always fun "what is social software" themes.   Thank god we didn't go too deep into "what is MyIdentity?"

Then all of a sudden, folks starting piping up from the audience - putting their own 2 cents in.  It was beautiful - free of any concern of "upsetting the order of things", we jumped back and forth between open mike Q&A and this sort of hybrid call and response mode between the Reverand AKMA, the panelists and the audience - which had quickly become an instrinsic part of the panel.

Perhaps it was because the topic under discussion was "end-users utilzing their identities in a world which thinks they own these profiles" that things got so real - but it was clear LOTS of folks had something to say.  Doc got his message across, Simon Phipps gave us that "well funded Sun guy who gets to fly around the world talking standards" approach and me - well I admit it - I used profanity and pleaded for the rights of the humans.

But I also got to meet Simon Grice - who has a cool company called Midentity and it was Simon that we choose to have give the only pre-canned presentation.  In Simon's pitch, he showed how identity and brands are really the same thing and how folks will be willing to pay to maintain and control their identity - just as long as it provides a coolio experience.  That's why most folks don't see where the "business model" is in all this social software stuff.  They just don't understand that it's the end-user's experience that counts - nothing else - and if you can innovate, liberate or enlighten that end-user - then you're good as gold.

That's why Jonathan Abrams is so lucky. He's stumbled upon an incredible experience that's really fun to interact with.

So here we are in Denver and someone puts up a "BoF" notice for the Grass Roots theme.  Only problem is that it's called for at 8 PM - which is during the awards dinner.  So AKMA posts this message, and away we go....... [NOTE: see yah at 8:30-9 after dinner.....]

The gentle balance between anarchy, controlled restraint and organized interaction can result in truely benefical discourse and debate.   If someone has something to say - they should be able to contribute to the discussion and say it.  This is what happened in Boston, Sebastapol and during our panel in Denver - yesterday.

This is a completely different way of running panels - compared to how traditional conferences are run.  This new way of running panels leads to improved insights, sussed out brainstorming and/or greater grokkness.

This is another link in the communication chain, which currently is rendered as IRC channels, Wikis or blog aggregators.  Standing in line to ask a question at the microphone can be mimiced in software, but it's oh so real in meatspace.  Blending the boundary between hard-edged explicit digital cyberpspace and the soft-edged analog world of meatspace.

So maybe that's what Dave Winer was talking about today.  A win-win scenario where new kinds of interaction and trust can move us forward. 

These new kinds of panels, whether virtual on an IRC channel, via direct comment threads or in a meatspace location - means we can keep the conversation going - round the world 24/7/365.

Here's Esther Dyson, Eliiot Noss, Denise Howell and AKMAs head - out in the hallway at DIDW.

How symbolic that Esther is in this shot - 'cause I first learned how to "play" this industry back in the mid-80's at Esther's PC Forum conferences.  No one would ever go to the panels.  We'd just hang in the hallway and cut deals, schmooze and ultimately - go public or sell our companies.

Here's Doc and Rageboy (Chris Locke) and Andre Durand (who seems to be happy about the $5M Jeremy just invested in PingID) and Jeremy Allaire.  Lots of folks are here - I'd better stop blogging and get back into the hallway.

The Atom API. mark makes a pretty good case [anil dash's daily links]

OK - here we go - here's the Atom API explained plainly.

Jeremy's here at DIDW.  He looks happy.  Andre Durand and Eric Norlin - some of our hosts here - also look pretty happy.

PingID gets momentum....

...and money!  I've been very excited about PingID since I got involved with them earlier this year.  Andre Durand has put together a great team and vision, and shown exceptional industry leadership in an important and emerging space -- federated identity networks.  PingID is not a software company, but a new kind of company that weaves software, managed web services, and business policy into a network model for identity interchange.  Federated identity networks are about putting together company to company relationships over the Internet, and enabling the users of these companies to easily flow between applications -- it underlies the build-out that is happening around web services, and the resurgence of e-commerce as a significant, long-term business model.  PingID is:

  • Providing a multi-protocol, open standards based Federation Gateway that's available as both open source and commercial software, supporting Liberty, SAML and WS-Federation
  • Providing a network model which guarantees quality and limits risk and liability associated with cross-domain identity interchange, modelled on the governance and legal structures of Visa and the ATM networks of the past
  • Delivering a suite of managed web services that help federations operate and stay compliant with legal frameworks established by their network

It's a great time to be laying the foundations for the next-generation Internet, and federated identity promises to play a crucial role.  Congrats to Andre and team, and look forward to working with you!

[Jeremy Allaire's Radio]
Digital Whydentity, cont'd.

Jamie Lewis is giving his keynote. Notes...

Exclusionary security models don't enable business.

What's the other letter we can add to LAMP?

Regulatory issues are the sticks. cost savings are the carrots.

WS* is an example of a cartel in action.

[The Doc Searls Weblog]

I wish they would have opened up the floor to questions - as I would have suggested that the letter is F.

FOAF is the open standard for identity that needs to get added to the LAMP world of open source solutions.

More notes....

Loosely coupled architecture and organic growth have proven to be a better approach.

We've learned that loosely coupled systems – not tightly coupled - are the path to sucess.  It's all about interoperate – not replace.

 

Jamie asked:

 

"I'd like to see a well defined set of protocols and standards - and show how they’re going to implement federated identity management within the open source world."

 

So I just want to formerly answer Jamie and say:

 

"that's what we're working on.  I'm here at DigitalID World recruting participants in an FSN (federated social network) of on-line services, systems and tools - based around FOAF."


Updated: 11/1/2003; 10:17:19 PM.