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Saturday, November 08, 2003

Shirky's Men of Straw. Ok, the long answer: Shirky: The Semantic Web, Syllogism, and Worldview The opening paragraphs of this piece ask what the... [Raw]

Marc rant on: Lots of feedback and complaints about Mr. Shirky's muck raking over the Semantic Web.  Like all great thinkers, Mr. Cult leader has the ability to spin a yarn any which way he feels like it - and Danny Ayers has taken him to task on many of his asusmptions allegations and statements.

However the sheer reason why the Semantic Web can be attacked is why Clay's right.  If you talk about something before it's done, it's liable to have huge gaping holes in it.  FOAF certainly does and many of T B-Ls assertions are dreams at best.  But if you asked, I dont; think any of the 'Semantic Web' builders would disagree with that statement (we ain't done yet.)

But this is where we divide up the world between doers and talkers.  Danny Ayers, Dan Brickley and LOTS of others are doing what it takes to BUILD the semantic web.  Poo pooing it and saying it can't be done doesn't help anything.

Rolling up your sleeves, digging into one area - like FOAF - and working through the ugly details - is what it's all about.  We've been side railed for almost three weeks recently on some important implementation details - to get our PeopleAggregator to work right.

But am I sitting there - crying - complaining or pointing fingers?  No - we're engaging the folks that matter in dialog, working through the details and coming up with a pragmatic resolve that's implementable in the real world.

The technologies that surround the Semantic web (as Danny points out in his rant) are here today, while the dream of the seamntic web is still years away.  But unless we start building NOW - we'll all be left using Microsoft WinFS - 'cause let me tell you, just 'cause they don't call it the Semantic Web - doesn't mean it isn't that.

I really like David Weinberger and Dave Winer is clearly a leader in this area, but BOTH these guys have got to get specific.

Harping on about 'Open formats and protocols' and anything with the word 'future' in it - is a waste of time (IMHO) UNLESS: you get specific - you talk about exactly WHAT these new extensions are, HOW they work and WHO's going to create and help promote them.

Up until now we've been able to pigeon hole blocks of text into an RSS 2.0 feed, but the moment you start talking about 'writing for the web' - you're leaving out 95% of the people - who don't consider themselves 'literate', 'intellectual' or 'amateurs' at anything (except changing a TV channel or opening a beer.)

Writing for the Web to 'normal' people will mean the three R's: Resumes, Recipes and Reviews.  And Calendar Events as well.  For THESE new kind of micro-content stdnards to evolve, we need more than just token statements about 'open formats and protocols'.  We need specifics.

RVW and ENT are all examples of SPECIFIC open formats and protocols - but what I can't understand is why Dave Winer or David Weinberger don't openly support and help these RSS 2.0 extensions succeed?  Having OpenReviews or shared clouds of Topics - can move the blogosphere forward and 'down the pyramid - to a HELL of a lot of more people, then the current base of "literate' people.

The Shape of Blogging's Future.

The Shape of Blogging's Future

Dave writes:

Weblog software is going to be like mail servers. Lots of ways to deploy, every niche filled. For the masses, services like Yahoo, MSN and AOL. Blogging servers for corporations, inside and outside of the firewall. For schools, for the military, specialized systems for lawyers, librarians, professors, reporters, magazines, daily newspapers. The next President will have a blog. Writing for the Web, the prevailing form of publishing in the early 21st Century, will come in many sizes and shapes, flavors and styles. It won't be one-size-fits-all. Open formats and protocols will make this possible. I'd bet on the formats and protocols we're using now, RSS 2.0, OPML and the Blogger API.

Sounds right to me. (Well, the next president will have a blog but won't write it himself. [I'd say "or herself," but who are we kidding.]) Also, I don't know if Dave agrees that what we do with these blogging servers may not look all that much like blogging [Joho the Blog]

A picture named mailManThumb.jpgBack to Marc's rant:

Let's look at this another way.  Dave put up an image of a postman next to his blog post. Unfortunately that image DOES NOT flow through into the Radio aggregatopr which I use - which is a Userland product.  So Dave's own Manilla blogging tool doesn't support one of the most basic of all features - having an image be part of a blog post.

Next - the image of a postman I'm sure is meant to mean something about delivering data - comparing the old way to the new way.  But when I see an image of a member of the 'working class' - I think "this guy is NEVER gonna blog, but he MIGHT post what his feelings are about the local car mechanic, his wife's hair dresser or MAYBE a local restaurant or resort they took their vacation at...."

Blogging just ain't gonna make it mainstream folks - admit it.  Even Journals and Diaries are not something NORMAL people do.  But Resumes, Recipes, Reviews and Calendar Events DO have a chance of going mainstream.  That's why we need support for RVW and ENT.  NOW. IMHO.


Updated: 11/21/2003; 3:03:29 PM.